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I'm new to WFRP, not sure how I missed it as I loved the UK series some of the creators did for TSR. I think the later edition cover art turned me off checking it out and I didn't know anyone in my neck of the woods who played it.

As I mentioned earlier I recently picked up the 1e rulebook and a load of 2e stuff on that Humble Bundle sale. Like the 1e rulebook, seems to me WFRP is closer to the kind of game system LotFP's rulebook claims to be. Even so 1e is much closer to D&D than I expected, at least as read, I suspect it plays much differently at the table. Still need to get around to reading The Final Enemy.

I'm definitely intrigued enough now to pick up Cubicle's take, particularly as I'm a huge admirer of TOR.
 
This is why I wish the changes in CoC 7e had just been used in Pulp Cthulhu instead... make a solid distinction that one is a horror game and one is an action/adventure game.

Yeah none of the changes I don't like in 7e CoC bother me as I feel I can mostly ignore them but this makes good sense.
 
It is without a doubt a large tome to consume, but comes in with less pages than you'd spend on a standard player guide, gm guide and monster manual. And, it has everything you need to play.
Regrettably I don't have time for three core book games either these days - I've no doubt its a complete work, and it looks great, but time is the enemy.

Do you have (or plan to have) a quickstart guide with brief adventure? A few of the older companies are getting on board with this now (notably Chaosium have done a Cthulhu and Runequest taster pack) and they've gone down really well.
 
Covers are out and they are totally sweet:

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Very nice. Would have been more exciting for me if Zweihander hadn't come out and I didn't already own a crap load of 1e, 2e and 3e material. But great that the property is getting dusted off for new generations.!
 
Love the cover art. I have a lot of faith that C7 will put out a quality product.
 
I like the art for the starter set, that it's not a combat. It reminds me a bit of Cadwallon's cover.
 
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I like the art for the starter set, that it's not a combat. It reminds me a bit of Cadwallon's cover.
It is an interesting choice that the main game has the action-heavy cover rather than the starter set. I'd almost expect it to be the other way around. I suppose it is because the action-heavy one evokes the original cover more closely.
 
C7 delayed a product? Well I never.

Anyway, those covers look great. The iconics they've designed are really good, especially that witch hunter, she's fantastic.

My only complaint is... the more I look at the second picture, the more it bugs me that the architecture and perspective is off. It's clearly meant to be the same place, but the upper level changes angle and height between the pictures.
 
I absolutely love that the first cover image "Take Your First Steps Into A World of Grim Adventure" is like literally 30 seconds before "A Grim World of Perilous Adventure" the wizard and noble haven't even gotten off the stairs yet, the Trollslayer has stepped in front and the Witch Hunter has jumped on the stairs behind the noble. They're all dressed the same, and it's the same Inn and Alchemist they're standing in front of.
 
C7 delayed a product? Well I never.

Anyway, those covers look great. The iconics they've designed are really good, especially that witch hunter, she's fantastic.

My only complaint is... the more I look at the second picture, the more it bugs me that the architecture and perspective is off. It's clearly meant to be the same place, but the upper level changes angle and height between the pictures.
Nice catch. In the first one, the stairs have a wall beside them, then the banister. The second one just has the banister leading off from the steps. That throws everything off.
 
The one thing I don't like is the image of the wizard. Carrying a scythe with a bat on top. Can you scream "Necromancer" any louder? Kinda seems more "Spiky Bitz WFRP" than "CoC WFRP".

I thought it was a priest of Mórr, but yeah, they're clearly going for Spiky Bitz.
 
There's something about the rat ogre in the second one that I just don't like... maybe its tiny head... I dunno... it just seems awkward.
And yeah, that guys scythe looks like something I'd see in World of Warcraft.
 
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I absolutely love that the first cover image "Take Your First Steps Into A World of Grim Adventure" is like literally 30 seconds before "A Grim World of Perilous Adventure" the wizard and noble haven't even gotten off the stairs yet, the Trollslayer has stepped in front and the Witch Hunter has jumped on the stairs behind the noble. They're all dressed the same, and it's the same Inn and Alchemist they're standing in front of.
The Witch Hunter hasn't just ran up the stairs, she's leapt about twice her height, from a standing start. And the Noble's pose is off too - there's no power in her stance for whatever attack she's performing, she isn't following through on anything.

The skaven that's just got twatted is also clearly ripped. That rat lifted.

The colour scheme is very good, though. And I agree that it's neat that the two images are sequential, and done by the same artist.
 
I appreciate what they are going for with the art, but I really with the colours were a bit more muted and the lines a little crisper to capture the brutal grimdarkness I associated with WFRP.
 
The one thing I don't like is the image of the wizard. Carrying a scythe with a bat on top. Can you scream "Necromancer" any louder? Kinda seems more "Spiky Bitz WFRP" than "CoC WFRP".
Both the wizard and the witch hunter feel a bit dungeonpunk for my taste. All the straps and buckles on the witch hunter's gloves and the large amount of pouches give me a D&D 3E vibe.
 
C7 delayed a product? Well I never.

Anyway, those covers look great. The iconics they've designed are really good, especially that witch hunter, she's fantastic.

My only complaint is... the more I look at the second picture, the more it bugs me that the architecture and perspective is off. It's clearly meant to be the same place, but the upper level changes angle and height between the pictures.

The view is from the side in the second pic as opposed to nearly straight on. That's it.

There's also been some time between the two (enough for a few bevvies) as the goth gunslinger is now behind everyone else.
 
Having Graeme Davis around is good news. My concerns about a new edition mostly involve my feeling the the particular writers on 1st edition are a big part of the game.

I'm also finding it a little tacky that Daniel Fox keeps repasting the Cubcle 7 press releases on his own website, then putting links in his posts here driving people to his own site rather than linking to Cubicle 7's actual announcements on their own site.
 
It's cool, I understand where people are coming from - the reposting thing is kinda tacky, frex. I think it will be better if he splits the "fan site" and "marketing organ" sides into separate sites. The Pundit baiting was also a dick move, full stop..

When i was mod at the other place i was always getting complaints about his shilling on the forum. I mention it in a thread and he sends me a threatening PM about removing his 'banner ad money'. As if that actually gives him a right to stink up the forums with his constant shilling.

Considering what he did later, i'm not even too happy that he's on this site.
 
When i was mod at the other place i was always getting complaints about his shilling on the forum. I mention it in a thread and he sends me a threatening PM about removing his 'banner ad money'. As if that actually gives him a right to stink up the forums with his constant shilling.

Considering what he did later, i'm not even too happy that he's on this site.
OK, I did not know that. Thank you for the information.
 
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When i was mod at the other place i was always getting complaints about his shilling on the forum. I mention it in a thread and he sends me a threatening PM about removing his 'banner ad money'. As if that actually gives him a right to stink up the forums with his constant shilling.

Considering what he did later, i'm not even too happy that he's on this site.

I did not know that. Super dick move.
 
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When i was mod at the other place i was always getting complaints about his shilling on the forum. I mention it in a thread and he sends me a threatening PM about removing his 'banner ad money'. As if that actually gives him a right to stink up the forums with his constant shilling.

Considering what he did later, i'm not even too happy that he's on this site.

Are you referring to me pulling banner ad money from TheRPGSite after its site creator (read: RPGPundit) made it his personal crusade to badmouth my game without having ever read it? You’re damn right I pulled ad money. Why would I support a site where its creator was actively denigrating a RPG he’d never lain eyes on or was given a copy to review?

It’s one thing to give constructive criticism about a game you’ve read or its writer’s marketing approach. I actively invite it, and encourage honest, constructive reviews from anyone who receives a free copy. It’s another to bash a game RPGPundit has never read - particularly when he prides himself with being an honest reviewer. I dare say that it’s even worse form to write patently false (and frankly, illegal) claims about doxxing as a result of ad money being pulled, or as a means to raise personal stock.

You clearly don’t have the full story. I would encourage you to cleave closer to understanding the details, and consider the source.
 
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You clearly don’t have the full story. I would encourage you to cleave closer to understanding the details, and consider the source.

As i knew you'd lie about this, i thought i better respond - and sorry to Tristram. I will not post here again after this.

The only story i'm talking about is when i raised the concerns of some posters to you shilling and you sent me a threatening PM. That was in September 2016. No idea when you and Pundy started in on each other. Don't care about that either.

Raising this concern in this thread is certainly germaine to the conversation when others previous to me have raised concerns about your marketting. My post was about your marketting - not your spat with Pundit (although i made passing reference to it).

Tata.
 
Very cool that Davis is part of it, always a good sign when they bring in the original designers like WoTC did with Hickman for Curse of Strahd. I actually dig the starter set cover more, although I realize the second cover is a direct homage to the 1e cover.
 
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I was honestly kind of hoping that the artist they used for LOTR, Jon Hodgson (who I know from the Dragon Warriors re-release), would have been used as the primary artist for the new Warhammer Fantasy. His style, while not exactly matching up with the early Warhammer art, has that sort of moody classic dark fantasy feel to it; like Angus McBride meets Geoff Taylor.

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I was honestly kind of hoping that the artist they used for LOTR, Jon Hodgson (who I know from the Dragon Warriors re-release), would have been used as the primary artist for the new Warhammer Fantasy. His style, while not exactly matching up with the early Warhammer art, has that sort of moody classic dark fantasy feel to it; like Angus McBride meets Geoff Taylor.

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Yes. While the cover they are using does look more like the original cover, that Hodgson picture looks more like WFRP, the game itself.
 
Yeah, the consistent art of TOR is great (although I actually like the game too!), and is a feature I rate in rpgs.

Chatting to folks about WFRP at Dragonmeet at the weekend, I didn't get much more detail prized out of folk than the last Cubicle 7 announcement - in that it isn't going to be a straight republish of 1st/2nd, but they're looking at a deeper edit, with "opportunities to add in some of the things we’ve learned over the years". Good stuff from my point of view. Sad news, is that pushes it back to mid '18, but for me, I'd rather that and a nicely revised game, than something sooner which is essentially a reprint of old stuff (coming from the privileged position of having my hands on all the old stuff).
 
The pessimist in me is sorta sad that all's we are hearing about is a re-visitation of old material. As a huge WFRP grognard, I do want to see updated adventures and all. I am hoping that they do something new and exciting - especially with Graeme onboard.

Not me. I really like the Enemy Within campaign but I would have a hard time getting my group to play Warhammer 1st edition. I can't wait to run TEW again but with updated rules.

And the one Cubicle 7 handles things, I know new stuff will be on the way. I'd really like solid material and adventures to run in the Empire first followed by more material on other locations. And I want adventures and locations a lot more than added rules (a book of new careers or more magic for example).

I want to spend most of my time actually playing and a lot less time trying to absorb new rules.
 
Not me. I really like the Enemy Within campaign but I would have a hard time getting my group to play Warhammer 1st edition.
Why? They've tried it and don't like it?

I can't wait to run TEW again but with updated rules.
'Updated' how? I'm always seeing people say 'updated' and I don't quite get it... it's as if rules go bad, like milk. Or there is some current software they need to be able to function with.
 
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Why? They've tried it and don't like it?

'Updated' how? I'm always seeing people say 'updated' and I don't quite get it... it's as if rules go bad, like milk. Or there is some current software they need to be able to function with.

I don't have my rulebook in front of me. But I know some characters can start with one skill. And others start with a huge list like outlaw. If you have players who don't mind having one character have one skill and another have eight to start that's great. But that does not work for a lot of people and I can see their point.

If the rules get updated and all character.s get a good range of starting skills, say six to eight, then it has been updated. Modern design usually has starting characters start on somewhat equal footing.

Say we both went to a fast food restaurant. We both spend 5 bucks. I get a burger, fries, and drink. You get a burger just like mine but no fries or drink. The cost is the same. If you complain the manager says each customer gets a random amount of food for the same price. Warhammer 1E is like that. Still tastes good, but everything is not equal.
 
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