Strange Things (Conspiracies, X-Files, Etc)

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  1. noman

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    Urg. Sorry, Endless. I came across as pretentious, and that wasn't my intent. I was rushing out a reply before heading out the door.

    What I should have written was I had a different perspective, but said perspective doesn't in any way negate yours or anyone elses.

    My take on ET close encounters is that the phenomenon is real (in the sense that it's clearly a profound sensory experience that can have significant, long-term effects on the experiencer), but how that phenomenon is interpreted is open for anlysis.

    What you've got with the ET abduction phenomenon is a mountain of circumstantial evidence, a hefty dose of physical evidence, but very little if any attempts by the scientific community to seriously study the subject objectively (John Mack is as close as we got). So without any real objective foundation for inquiry, it's anyone's guess what's going on, what's real and what's not, and what it all means.

    Personally, I'm on the opposite side of your conclusions above. Nothing wrong with that: I respect your POV, I'm not suggesting you're wrong, and I'm certainly not going to try to argue against it. :smile:

    My views get a little complicated, but the short of it is that, assuming ETs are visitors from Elsewhere (a big assumption):

    --> If ETs are objectively true (big if), I'm prone to think that they are physical beings with advanced tech capable of FTL travel or some equivalent means of traversing space, operating in our time stream and within the parameters of our physical universe.

    --> I don't see modern ET activity to be consistent with early historical records human / weird interactions, such as the idea that the ET encounters of today are the fairy encounters of the past.

    --> I don't see modern ET activity as whimsical trickery, nor do I see it as a manifestation of some collective, human consciousness manifesting in some occult manner. I see it as deliberate, planned down to the fine details, resource intensive, and malevolent. Ancient astronauts may have had different motives, perhaps even ethical intentions, but that's no longer the case, IMO.

    That's it.

    Again, I'll reiterate that I'm only writing hypothetically. I'm not suggesting any such phenomena is objectively true. I just like thinking about this kind of thing. :smile:
     
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    A few news articles of Flat-Earth weirdness.

    Remember when MK Ultra was a conspiracy theory? Well, now it's a matter of legal record (SFW).

    LOL. Flat-Earth weirdos have been talking about this for decades (SFW).

    I'm gonna call bullshit on this one (NY Post, SFW). Not because his story is so spectacular, but because I've read / heard too much about what the Greys do when a hairless primate decides to put up resistance.

    And finally, two articles about the rise in the occult, mostly Wicca. Here, and here (NYT and Buzzfeed, both SFW). Linking this comes dangerously close to violating a "no religion" rule, but I'm gonna risk it. I don't think any of the Pub's regulars will take offence. For my part, I'm posting this because it's interesting to me and because I'm curious about the alleged levels of supernatural belief in the United States.
     
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    Is there really a rise in Wicca these days? I grew up on the West Coast pretty much surrounded by Wiccan hippies.
     
  4. noman

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    Short answer: I have no idea. The numbers I've looked at are unconvincing either way.

    In the Southeast, in the 80s and 90s, it was all New Age variants, Wicca, and a sprinkling of ceremonial magic. Here on the West Coast, now, I'm mostly running into Santeria and Santa Muerte. But none of this is representative.

    The articles I linked came out around Halloween. News sites always post something about witches or satanists as clickbait. Color me skeptical.

    I'd love to find some hard numbers about superstitious belief here in the States.
     
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    I read the excellent history on Wiccans and occultism Triumph of the Moon but I don't recall it discussing Wiccans or occultists as a percentage of the population.
     
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    I suspect no such data currently exists, as religious surveys of this nature have focused on the major religions, and paid little or no attention to the various forms of neo-pagan and occult practices.

    http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/

    http://www.pewforum.org/2015/05/12/americas-changing-religious-landscape/

    This is for the US, though. Superstitious belief is alive and well in many parts of the world, such as Southeast Asia, parts of Africa, etc.
     
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    Of all the strange things in the world, Bigfoot is probably the least likely to exist, in my opinion.
     
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    I agree.

    Most of the skeptical arguments I've heard / read are unconvincing to me, and many of the eyewitness accounts and physical evidence is...compelling...but for me it comes down to a single thing.

    If this creature existed, and has roamed North America since before the Colonial Period, somebody, somewhere, would have killed one and presented a body.

    The counterargument made to this is "They" would never allow a body to be shown to the public. It'd be covered up like (Insert Conspiracy Topic Here). This dosesn't wash for me. If "They" exist, and "They" were trying to cover up "It", they wouldn't be able to do it forever. "They" don't have absolute control over all information and all people. Chaos...um...finds a way. A body would show up, somewhere, slipping between the cracks.

    The lore is fascinating, though. And despite my skepticism, Bigfoot still scares the crap out of me. :oops:
     
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    It is rational to think that if they have been procreating all these years, a fair number of them should be out in the wild, just like coyote or wolves, or bears. But nobody hits one with their car and shoots them when they are hunting or takes somebody's picnic basket at the park, so therefore they do not exist.
     
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    Population numbers could be low for a number of reasons. Small litters, population limited by available food sources, etc. There's a lot of untamed wilderness in the States. Plenty of places for them to hide. But still. You make a very good point. The key variable here is time. Given a long enough timeline, the probability of discovery increases, and I think more than enough time has gone by for that.

    Still. For the people who have had face-to-face contact...it's not a matter of speculation.
     
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    I'll add one more thing here. I don't want Sasquatch to exist. If it does, and it's discovered by humans, that'll only end in tragedy.
     
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    I thought about the creepiest phenomena that would scare me the most from stuff I've watched on TV about the paranormal and Shadow People is what I came up with.
     
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    Agreed. Super creepy and brilliant gaming fodder. (I get goosebumps just remembering some creepypasta I read describing how to summon and communicate with shadow people.)
     
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    "The Dendera light is a supposed ancient Egyptian electrical lighting technology depicted on three stone reliefs (one single and a double representation) in the Hathor temple at the Dendera Temple complex located in Egypt. 3 Upon examination, there is what appears to be a very large lamp or bulb with a cable connected at the end with a snake-like shaped cord inside. Compared with the smaller figures seen crouching below the lamp, are two giant looking figurines on each end of the lamp that some believe may depict an elite race of ruling class giants."
    Now what if they had Baghdad Batteries, and had them connected to some kind of rudimentary light bulb.
    "Located in the area known as Saqqara, the Serapeum is one of the most enigmatic ancient sites in all of Egypt. Lost under the sands of time, this labyrinth was discovered in 1850 which hides 25 granite black boxes crafted with laser like precision. Each box weighs approximately 70 tons along with a lid of 30 tons cut from the same piece of stone. Each box was found empty and thus their purpose remains a mystery. It is estimated that these 100 ton stone boxes would need at least 2000 men to transport them. However, with the tunnels being only 2 feet wider than the boxes themselves, there would not have been nearly enough space inside for such a vast army to lower and transport these boxes to their resting places. 1 The Egyptians would have had to use torches to see inside the pitch black tunnels, yet there is no evidence of smoke markings from flame light on the low tunnel ceilings. The stone was quarried in Aswan about 1000 kilometers away. The official statement from Egyptologists is that these boxes were made during the late dynastic period as burial places for sacred bulls, but it would have been impossible for the dynastic Egyptians to do so with softer bronze tools. The very crude hieroglyphic carvings on the outside of 3 of the boxes were most likely made thousands of years later by the Egyptians who found them in SITU (Notice how advanced the much older box appears compared with its enclosure)."
    Then what if they used it to light the way in placing these objects. (How they moved the boxes I dont know.)
     
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    Oh, and


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    It's always aliens.

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    Fuckers.
     
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    [​IMG]

    I can barely handle my taxes; how the hell am I going to handle the "Truth"? :confused:
     
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    Don't get me wrong. I'm perfectly capable of accepting the possibility that ET sightings and "contact" are just humanity engaging in massive, collective, psychological projection.

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    Given our habit of trying to have sex with every new technological innovation we come up with, it's not unfathomable for us, as a species, to strive for the stars so we can seek out new life, new civilizations, and then put things in their butts.

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    I honestly believe this is closer to the truth.
     
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    I'd like to add that I have this exact same hair style. Also, that expression is the exact same expression I have when I'm typing out my Strange Things posts. :confused:
     
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    Let's be thankful the aliens don't come down and ear tag/radio collar us; I was watching Nature last night and they had done that to these poor foxes. That is about our only worth is as academic study subjects similar to the way we study wildlife, which would account for the UFO sightings and the Fermi Paradox, ironically.

    I've met people who knew the original bigfoot hoaxers, as that stuff all came out of Northern California; iirc it started as pranks between different crews for a road building company, something to do while/to stave off heavy drinking. Logging crews can be a lot like that.
     
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    I remember being fascinated with the Patterson film when I was a kid.
     
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    It was huge, shown on TV all the time.
     
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    That moment when you realize that the most advanced gorilla costume and makeup technology at the time of the Patterson film was this:

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    The part where it turns its head quickly and turns back is probably the most telling to me. If that was a mask, I doubt a person could do that in a heavy, burdensome suit.
     
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    Tiptree is great, 'A Momentary Taste of Being' is my favourite story by her, the central concept is bizarre and pulled off very well. I find her more heavy handed 'feminist' stories like 'Houston, Houston Do You Read?' less successful and I'm not anti-feminist.

    Her 'Last Flight of Dr. Ain' is very creepy as the idea behind the story (killing off humanity to 'save' the earth) has been unironically embraced by the most extreme fringes of the environmental movement. Reminds me of how the Aum Shinrikyo cult was partially inspired by Asimov Foundation stories!
     
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    That makes her sound like Bella Abzug or somebody. :grin:

    I like "Houston" a lot, I mean it is very rational why they do what they do. Most creepy is "Love Is the Plan the Plan Is Death" because she died in a murder suicide, it's a great story about an alien life-cycle, though. "The Screwfly Solution" is also probably the most hard sf conquest of Earth story, and the protagonist's description of the aliens is perfect. She was a complex writer, a psychologist who worked for the CIA, and a feminist, except in more the flavor of "The Second Sex" and not womyn with a y.
     
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